Welcome to the Movement Logic Podcast, with yoga teacher and strength coach Laurel Beversdorf, and physical therapist Dr. Sarah Court. With over 30 years combined experience in the yoga, movement and physical therapy worlds, we believe in strong ideas, loosely held – which means we’re not hyping outdated movement concepts. Instead, we’re here with up-to-date and cutting-edge tools, evidence and ideas to help you as a mover and a teacher. Music: Makani by Scandinavianz & AXM
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We are Doctors of Physical Therapy who specialize in rehabilitation, performance, and injury risk reduction. Our mission is simple: empower YOU to overcome your setbacks and crush your goals using evidence-based education. Check out our YouTube, Blog, Podcast, and Rehab Programs!
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Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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Hosted by Adam Meakins The NAF (Not Another F**king) Physio Podcast promises to be unlike any other! Be prepared for some strong opinions and even stronger language!
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Whether it’s anatomy, exploring yoga traditions, or discussing the unspoken aspects of teaching yoga, this podcast is for those tired of superficial yoga narratives. Brea Johnson, founder of Heart & Bones Yoga, a globally recognized online platform for anatomy-informed yoga and inclusive practices for both yoga teachers and everyday people, interviews experts, shares crucial insights and provides education for both yoga students and teachers. Join Brea for real conversations that challenge, ...
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Dr. of Physical Therapy, Caitlin Casella speaks with professionals in healthcare, therapeutic movement and exercise, strength and conditioning, athletic training, and bodywork. Interviews focus on the overlapping layers of health and wellness with belief structures, social engagement, economic and environmental factors, and sustaining robust activity later in life. Questions that drive Caitlin’s work and curation of the Practice Human Podcast examine systemic factors which create barriers to ...
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"Bulky girl summer" Embrace and build strength with Dr. Sarah Court and Laurel Beversdorf
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What if strength training could revolutionize not just your fitness, but your entire approach to health and well-being? In this episode of the Heart and Bones podcast, Brea Johnson sits down with Sarah Court, a physical therapist, and Laurel Beversdorf, a yoga teacher and personal trainer, to explore the transformative power of building strength an…
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Episode 78: Behemoth Knee Myths
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Welcome to Episode 78 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss what current science, versus outdated advice and conventional wisdom, have to say about the knees—namely whether “bone on bone” is a thing, and if deep squats, knee valgus aka “knee cave”, or high impact are inherently bad for your knees. Learn what resea…
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165. Shared Decision-Making w/ Julie Ayre and Hazel Jenkins
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Chris Hughen sat down with Julie Ayre and Hazel Jenkins to discuss Shared Decision-Making. We dive into the purpose of shared decision-making, how to practically implement it into practice, decision aids and their utility for both patients and clinicians, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/oNwkgjmnFR8 Resources: Decision Aid Li…
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5 Things You Won't Learn in Your Yoga Teacher Training (But will make you a better teacher)
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In your teacher training you learn so many different aspects of yoga but rarely do we talk about the things that actually make a good yoga teacher. This informative lesson will share the five most important aspects of being an effective and confident yoga teacher. You won't learn this in (most) teacher trainings and quite often will learn it the ha…
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126: Fascia: A Deep Dive (with Dr. Antonio Stecco, Rebroadcast)
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Til and Whitney speak with fascial researcher, anatomist, and manual therapy teacher Antonio Stecco MD PhD about his research in to fascial properties, pain, and the effects of hands-on work, in this audience-favorite episode from our archives, where it originally ran as Ep. 53. Key Topics: Introduction to Dr. Antonio Stecco and his background in f…
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Episode 77: Are You Getting DEXA Scammed?
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 77 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah dive into the history of how DEXA scans came to be so ubiquitous, what are the risks around osteoporosis medication, and whether osteoporosis and osteopenia were intended to be diagnoses in the first place. You will learn: How was the DEXA score for …
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164. Patient Education w/ Ben Cormack
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Chris Hughen sat down with Ben Cormack to discuss all things patient education. We dive into the challenges of standardization in patient education, common mistakes, building trust and connection, recognizing when things aren’t going well, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/lOBBMu5BQaA More about Ben: Ben’s Instagram Ben’s Twit…
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Yoga Teacher Hotline: Managing Disruptive Students, Navigating Medical Queries, and Mastering Anatomical Language
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In this episode of the Yoga Teacher Hotline, Brea answers three submitted questions from yoga instructors: Handling Students Who Deviate in Class: What should you do when a student consistently does their own thing during your class? Responding to Medical and Health Inquiries: How can you address situations when students seek medical or health advi…
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Episode 76: Posture Panic Part 2
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 76 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this second episode in our Posture Panic series, Laurel and Sarah take a deep dive into the currently available research around posture to debunk some of the long held beliefs around posture, pain prevention, muscle activation, and more. You will learn: Does good posture keep you …
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163. Meniscus Tears w/ Jonas Thorlund
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jonas Thorland to discuss all things meniscus tears. We dive into degenerative versus traumatic tears, surgical vs non-surgical management options, meniscectomies vs meniscal repairs, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/Vw0L-fATJlw More about Jonas: Jonas’ ResearchGate The DREAM Trial Feasibility Study…
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125: Moving with Grief (with Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe)
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🎙️ Grief affects everyone: every person, every practitioner, and every client will lose something important to them, whether it’s their youth, ability, dreams, or a loved one. And so, everyone will grieve. In this episode, Whitney interviews Til about how the recent loss of his wife has given him a new perspective on grieving, and being with others…
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162. Fibromyalgia w/ Derek Griffin
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Chris Hughen sat down with Derek Griffin to discuss all things Fibromyalgia and chronic pain. We dive into the diagnosis of fibromyalgia, management strategies, addressing common misconceptions, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/XSRzfo7-Mvo Resources: Derek’s Twitter E3 Rehab Fibromyalgia Article --- Follow Us: YouTube: https:…
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Ep 051: Juniper Boggs | Movement Munchies - Strength Training Outside of Weight-loss
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Bio Juniper is dedicated to helping plus-size individuals discover the joy and benefits of exercise beyond weight loss. After struggling with his weight for most of his life and experiencing the frustration of restrictive diets and ineffective workout routines, he found a transformative experience in a welcoming HIIT class. This shift in focus from…
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Episode 75: Hypermobile People Are People Too
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 75 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Nikki Naab-Levy, strength coach and hypermobility specialist. You will learn: What is hypermobility and how does it differ from flexibility What are the Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes and how do they differ from Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder…
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Prioritizing Your Own Strength Journey with Dr. Marcia
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What if strength training could transform not just your body, but your entire approach to life? Dr. Marcia, a physical therapist and powerlifting strong woman, shares her empowering journey on the Heart and Bones podcast. She challenges conventional views on fitness, revealing how strength training benefits everyone, including those with chronic il…
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161. Yoga and Pilates: Strength Training Myths w/ Laurel Beversdorf and Sarah Court
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Chris Hughen sat down with Laurel Beversdorf and Sarah Court to discuss popular myths within yoga and pilates. We dive into 4 commonly held beliefs and misconceptions surrounding strength training within the yoga and pilates communities. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/x3R4exyQbfg Resources: Movement Logic Website Movement Logic Podcast Mo…
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075 Talking About Older Females Lifting Heavy Sh*t with Dr Sarah Court and Laurel Beversdorf
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In this episode of the NAF Adam talks with two of his favorite people from across the pond in the USA and the hosts of his new favorite podcast Movement Logic and thats Dr Sarah Court and Laurel Beversdorf They discuss their work on promoting heavy lifting in the older female population and their recent excellent breakdown of Stu McGills recent pod…
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124: Movement Logic (with Laurel Beversdorf & Sarah Court)
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In this episode Whitney interviews Laurel Beversdorf and Dr. Sarah Court (co-hosts of the Movement Logic Podcast) to talk about movement, exercise, and rehabilitation. They discuss topics such as the misconceptions surrounding strength training and its impact on flexibility and mobility, strength training for women, posture, movement re-education, …
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Exploring Strength and Flexibility in Yoga with Jules Mitchell
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What if yoga could build strength in ways you never imagined? Jules Mitchell, an expert in yoga biomechanics, explains that yoga involves both strength and flexibility, emphasizing the importance of the nervous system's role in strength development. Strength is not just about muscle size but also about coordination and motor unit recruitment. Yoga …
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160. ACL Reconstruction: Expectations vs Reality w/ Nicole Surdyka and Chris Hughen
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Chris Hughen sat down with Marc and Nicole Surdyka to discuss all things ACL Rehab. We dive into commonly held beliefs related to ACL surgery, average rates of return to sport, potential risk factors associated with a second injury, strategies to reduce the likelihood of a second tear, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/g3Luxxg…
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Ep 050: Giulia Pline | Path to Physical Therapy School
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Bio Giulia Pline’s journey has evolved from a career as a professional dancer to becoming an educator of movement and now a Doctoral student in Physical Therapy. Her experiences, including several injuries, inspired her to pursue extensive studies in anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, and biomechanics. The years she spent healing and recovering from…
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Episode 74: McGill We Go Again
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 74 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this unplanned episode, Laurel and Sarah discuss Stu McGill’s recent appearance on the Huberman podcast. In Episode 62, we identified McGill’s big themes around movement. In this episode, we go through his appearance on Huberman to see if he’s still promoting the same ideas or if …
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Redefining Strength through Yoga with Tejal Patel
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Strength goes beyond the physical in yoga, encompassing mental, emotional, and spiritual dimensions. In this episode, Brea Johnson chats with Tejal Patel, a first-generation Indian American yoga teacher, writer, podcaster, and community organizer, about redefining strength through yoga. Tejal shares her insights on how yoga's deeper teachings can h…
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159. Patellar and Achilles Tendinopathy: Management Strategies w/ Jake Tuura
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jake Tuura to discuss all things tendons. We dive into the management strategies, and misconceptions of, acute and persistent achilles and patellar tendinopathies. More about Jake: Jake’s Instagram Jake’s Twitter Jake’s Website Jacked Athlete Podcast --- Follow Us: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/e3rehab Instagram: https…
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How Strength Training Can Transform Your Life with Amanda Ford
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Strength is essential for handling life's challenges, especially as we age. In this episode, Brea Johnson chats with Amanda Ford, a strength and conditioning coach known as Movement Muse, about the importance of building strength and functionality. Amanda shares her journey from discovering her love for movement as a child to becoming a strength co…
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123: Getting Over Over-Pronation: Ankle & Foot Function (Rebroadcast)
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In celebration of Til Luchau's upcoming "Ankle Issues" livestreamed course, Til and Whitney pulled one of their favorite ankle-related episodes (#43) out of the archives. Listen in as they geek out on ankle- and foot-related conditions, anatomy, function, biomechanics and more. Topics include: How the structure of the foot/ankle complex determines …
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158. The Lower Limb Neuro Exam w/ Tom Jesson
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Chris Hughen sat down with Tom Jesson to take a deep dive into the lower limb neuro exam. We discuss the purpose of a neuro exam, screening and stewarding, the 3 P’s of nerve function, diagnostic buckets, reassurance and education, sensory, strength and reflex testing, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/SPx8kfygGmo More about T…
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Episode 73: Posture Panic Pt. 1
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Welcome to Season 5 and Episode 73 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this first part of our much-requested three-part series "Posture Panic," Laurel and Sarah dive into the history of posture. They discuss Beth Linker's book, Slouch: Posture Panic in Modern America, providing insights and context to how posture has been perceived and addressed thro…
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074 Talking About Strength and Conditioning with Claire Minshull
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In this episode of the NAF Adam talks with Claire about what Strength and Conditioning means, some of its benefits and limitations in MSK rehab, and some thoughts on the recent kickback by some therapists against it. We also find out what Octo-push is and if you can be a basketball player at 5 foot 7 Claire can be found on Twitter/X here and on Ins…
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157. Podcast Reflections with Marc Surdyka and Chris Hughen
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Chris Hughen sat down with Marc Surdyka to reflect on some of their prior podcast episodes. They discuss a variety of topics including: frozen shoulder, rotator cuff related shoulder pain, rotator cuff repairs, calf muscle strain injuries, the value of Louis Gifford’s work, our thoughts on the Stu McGill episodes, and changing ‘debate’ formats movi…
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122: Performing Arts Massage (with Christian Green)
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🎙️In this episode Whitney talks with Christian Green about working with athletes and performing artists. They cover some of the unique facets of working with these special populations. There is much more than specialized techniques necessary to work in these environments and Christian shares some unique and interesting perspectives. 🔍🗣️👥🔊 Watch the…
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Episode 72: Inbetweenisode - Are you Tryin' to Spend the Least on Exercise?
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Welcome to Episode 72 of the Movement Logic Podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Laurel poses a thought-provoking question: “Are you trying to spend the least on exercise?” We delve into how we prioritize spending on exercise compared to other essential health needs like diet and sleep and ask, “if investing more in exercise could give us access to bet…
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156. Hip Arthroscopy Rehab w/ Jon Hodges
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jon Hodges to discuss hip arthroscopy rehab. We dive into pre-operative considerations, managing patient expectations, early post-op priorities, determining when to progress, objective testing, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/eTMNxW3_Pg4 More about Jon and NevPT: NevPT Website Instagram Updated Hip…
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Ep 049: Domini Anne | How Music Shapes Movement and Exercise
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CHECK OUT THE SPOTIFY PLAYLISTS MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE! Caitlin Playlists: Practice Human 🔥 Gym Amped-up pop + aggressive rock to fuel your heaviest lifts. Practice Human 🐢 Run Equal parts lively + chill to keep your easy runs easy. Domini Playlist: Joy, Sweat and No Fear Getting our groove on for sweaty Gyrokinesis. Bio Domini Anne is a multi-d…
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Episode 71: Inbetweenisode - Can You Really Walk Your Bones Stronger?
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Welcome to Episode 71 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Sarah analyzes a recent NY Times article about exercise and bone density. How much do they get right, and how much do they get wrong? You’ll have to listen to find out! Sign up here to get on the Wait List for our next Bone Density Course in October 2024! It’s the only pla…
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155. The Value of Play and Exploring Movement w/ Austin Jochum
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Chris Hughen sat down with Austin Jochum to discuss all things movement, exploration, and play. We dive into the importance of incorporating games and play into training, embracing failure, breaking free from constraints, the power of words, creating a positive environment, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/OfuG7tuP-zI More ab…
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121: Analyzing Manual Therapy (with Whitney Lowe)
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🎙️ In this episode Whitney discusses a 2024 paper on modern manual therapy teaching and practice. The paper describes traditional manual therapy principles, including clinician-centered assessment, pathoanatomical reasoning, and technique specificity, and their criticisms based on recent research. He then outlines a proposed new framework for manua…
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Episode 70: Inbetweenisode - Do you need a deload week?
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Welcome to Episode 70 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this inbetweenisode, Laurel answers the question, “Do you need a deload week?” In strength training, a deload week is a planned, periodic reduction in training intensity and/or volume. Spoiler: you probably don't need to plan deload weeks into your training, but listen more to find out! Sign u…
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154. Hybrid Training w/ Alec Blenis
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Chris Hughen sat down with Alec Blenis to discuss all things hybrid training. We dive into common mistakes runners and lifters make when introducing hybrid training, challenging misconceptions and fears, lifting and running form, making training fun, and much more. We hope you enjoy! Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/BaRfhrXZFkM More about A…
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073 Talking About Performing and Dance with Liz Bayley
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After an extended podcast break Adam talks with Liz Bayley about pain, injury, and rehab in performers and dancers. Liz has years of experience as a professional dancer and with working as a physio with performers and dancers. In this episode we discuss the joys and difficulties of working with dancers, the most common myths and misconceptions abou…
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153. Defining Done w/ Quinn Henoch
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Chris Hughen sat down with Quinn Henoch to discuss the concept of “Defining Done” in the context of rehabilitation. We dive into why this is an important topic to broach with patients early on, the value of circling back to this topic throughout the plan of care, recommendations on how to initiate these conversations, and much more. Watch the full …
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Summary Rest is not just a trendy self-care product that you can purchase. Lou Thomas (they/them), the guest of this episode, defines radical rest as an interruption to systems of violence. Join Brea Johnson in conversation with Lou, a queer, neurodivergent, non-binary yoga teacher and embodiment specialist, as they discuss the transformative conce…
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120: Kinesiology, Pain Management, & Massage (with Justin Solace)
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🎙️In this episode Whitney and Justin discuss the benefits of a diverse educational background and the value of pursuing additional higher education for clinical massage practitioners. They also delve into some of the key facets of how massage and corrective movement can be used most effectively for pain management. 🔍🗣️👥🔊 Watch the video and get the…
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Episode 69: Crack is Whack - Adam Meakins and A Modern Approach to Manual Therapy
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Welcome to Episode 69 of the Movement Logic podcast! In this episode, Laurel and Sarah are joined by Adam Meakins, also known as The Sports Physio, to discuss his recent co-authored paper, “A modern way to teach and practice manual therapy.” Adam highlights the major issues in current manual therapy practice and education, as detailed in this exten…
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Ep 048: Ben Cormack | Movement and Exercise with Low Back Pain
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Ben Cormack owns and runs Cor-Kinetic. He is a musculoskeletal therapist with a clinical background in sports therapy, rehabilitation, pain science & exercises stretching back 15 years. Ben specializes in a movement and exercise-based approach with a strong education component and patient-centered focus and runs evidenced-based courses nationally a…
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152. Dynamometer Testing and Training: Practical Strategies w/ Jason Tuori and Chris Juneau
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Chris Hughen sat down with Jason Tuori and Chris Juneau to discuss all things dynamometer testing. We dive into: the value of dynamometry testing, practical strategies for both testing and training, upper and lower extremity case studies, and much more. Watch the full episode: https://youtu.be/1SxXXujooP0 More about Chris and Jason: Dungeons and Dy…
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Leaning into Discomfort: Embracing Grief and Supporting Sleep with Dr. Mekel Harris
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Did you know that one in two people develop sleep problems or insomnia after experiencing a loss? Dr. Mekel Harris (she/her), a licensed psychologist specializing in grief and loss, joins Brea Johnson to explore the effects of grief on sleep and the nervous system. Dr. Harris shares not only personal insights, but her professional expertise on find…
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151. Modern Manual Therapy w/ Adam Meakins
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Chris Hughen sat down with Adam Meakins to chat about all things manual therapy. We discuss the new paper Adam co-authored, “A modern way to teach and practice manual therapy.” We dive into the value of updating outdated views and beliefs, Adam’s disagreement with parts of this piece, why he does not perform manual therapy, and much more. Watch the…
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In this short update, Adam explains why the NAF hasn't been around for 18 months... and whats going to happen with it in the future... that's if you're still interested?
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Dreamwork and the Teachings of Plants with Leigh Joseph
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Can building a deeper relationship to the land help with sleep? Discover the wisdom of plants, their lifecycle, and how they support rest, sleep, and even dream work with Leigh Joseph (she/her), PhD, founder of the Squamish-based plant-based skincare business Skwalwen Botanicals. Leigh joins Brea Johnson to explore the deep connections between plan…
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