195 - How Emotional Energy Affects Your Health

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Coach and Therapist, Isaac Ho shares the journey of uncovering the hidden links between past traumas and physical health issues. Through personal experiences and professional insights, this episode sheds light on how unresolved emotional pain can manifest in the body. It delves into the transformative power of holistic healing practices, emphasizing the importance of addressing both the mind and body for true health.

Key Takeaways:

• Past traumas and unresolved emotions can manifest as physical symptoms.
• Working with emotional energy can lead to significant health improvements.
• Addressing emotional roots can significantly improve chronic physical ailments.

“They say that love is the opposite of hate. Right? They're on the same spectrum, though, because you can't know love without hate, just like you can know pain without pleasure. And so the same thing applies in emotion is that the emotion needs to be regulated for the body to be healthy.” - Isaac Ho

BIO:

Isaac Ho, a trainer and therapist for almost 20 years, started a journey to repair his health after facing personal troubles despite regular medicine. He learned first-hand that pills had limits, sending him on a life mission for true wellness. Learning from experts worldwide, such as trainers and doctors in New Zealand, France and Croatia, he gained deep knowledge from real life to help many people escape pain and find health. He was on TV networks like ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX. Isaac's on a mission to help parents and business owners live with true health and set an example for future generations on how to love, prioritize, and take care of themselves.

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Transcript:

Amy Ledin 00:00

You're attracting more of the chaos. Like you keep saying you don't want it, but you're not replacing it with something specific. And so, you know, people that are like, why does everything bad happen to me?

Isaac Ho 00:11

So for me, when I hear that my immediate thought is the failure was on her to not give you a replacement. Okay, and she didn't have to give it to you, but as your guide, as a person giving you information, you and I had this talk about cancer, right? It's like, wait, were they giving you glutathione while you're on chemotherapy? We don't burn inflammation down when you try to kill something. Right? And so like, the guide, should be guiding you into thinking about these things. And so if she's like, I'm going to do energy work and remove something, then she should also be informed (inaudible) that you need to replace it. Otherwise, you're setting that person up potentially to spin really hard.

Amy Ledin 00:54

What are you doing to create your dream life or your best self? Why do we see some thrive through challenges while others struggle? Welcome to F* It!, a podcast where I talk about the main Fs in my life that have helped me in creating my best self: faith, family, forgiveness, food, fitness, and formula. Hi, my name is Amy Ledin and most would say that I've had my fair share of struggles, whether it was placing my baby for adoption at 18, facing my marriage-ending affair, or battling stage four cancer for almost seven years, it's safe to say that I've been through a lot. Join me as I take you through my story, my journeys, and share with you the tactical strategies every single week that will help you thrive and overcome anything you face. That's right, I'm going to show you how to create a future self that you'll be proud of. So buckle up, get ready for the ride as I take you through my story and bring other guests on that have helped me along the way.

Amy Ledin 01:46

Okay, so I have not done anything like this before on the podcast. And that's just because I haven't had the right opportunity and the right person. So today, you are going to listen to someone that you're going to become familiar with because he's coming on here three times. We have decided to bring this to you because like I've said from the beginning, I'm always wanting you to become your best self. And as I learned things that are helping me to become my best self, I want to pass those on to you. So today, you get to listen to Isaac Ho. Now Isaac is a trainer. He's also a therapist. He's been doing this for 20 years. And what I love about Isaac's story is it really started for him in repairing his own health after he faced some personal troubles. So it was really just him learning firsthand. And I'll tell you, Erik and I have had several conversations with Isaac and this guy is just full of information and obviously has a love of learning. He's learned from experts worldwide, such as trainers and doctors in New Zealand, France, Croatia, and he just really gained a deep knowledge from these real-life experiences just to help many people escape their pain, and you know, find their ultimate health. He has been on TV, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, you know, you name it. So Isaac is on a mission to help parents and business owners live with true health and set an example for the future generations. And I'm just so excited to bring him to you today. So here we go.

Amy Ledin 03:20

All right. So today, I'm really excited. I know I say this a lot on the podcast but I am very excited today because I met this gentleman at an NCI conference and between Erik and I, we were blown away. And it takes a lot to impress Erik, like there's not a lot that really gets to him and they were geeking out over everything. And so I immediately knew that I needed to be besties with this person. And then we, from that we've taken some deep dives. And so I'm bringing something special that I've never brought to the podcast. And that is we're gonna do a series together because there's so much information that this gentleman has. And I just was like, I know that my audience would soak it up, and then we'll go from there. So today I have Isaac on the podcast, Isaac, welcome.

Isaac Ho 04:10

Thanks for having me, Amy. So nice to be here with you.

Amy Ledin 04:13

And, you know, we're gonna have video of this, too. So those of you will also be able to go on to YouTube and watch the video along with of course, coming on to any podcast platform and listening. But today, we're gonna dive into an area that you know, like I've said from the get-go, I am trying to create my best self. And I started this as an imperfect person. I think we all are and that I am going to be the guinea pig a lot of times on my own podcast in what helps me create my best self. Those of you that have, you know, been along for the journey. I've had a lot of trauma in my life I've had, I've never really labeled myself someone with PTSD, but now I'm learning that I definitely have had some PTSD. And I've not always been the best at managing it. It has affected my health, there's a lot of connections to cancer to autoimmune issues and it's not an area of my expertise and so why not bring someone in that can also help kind of take away some of the beliefs around what we're going to talk about, because we're gonna be talking about the energy of emotions. And, you know, coming from my religious background, there's a lot of stigma around energy around even like Chinese medicine and things like that, because we've been raised in this like Western medicine world. So I want you to go into this podcast one, with an open mind and knowing that some of the things will, everything that Isaac is going to be teaching you, there's real-world practice of it working, it helping and it really changing your life. So I'm excited to dive into this with you, Isaac. Where do we start? Talk to me about the energy of emotions, because I know this is going to be a three-parter here where this first one, we're going to dive into this and then we'll be going into the physiology of emotions. And I think I know a little more around that area, because I've seen certain things that I've put into practice. But energy-wise is, you know, when we met one to one, this is a whole new game for me.

Isaac Ho 06:15

Right. Yeah. So my background is really being a personal trainer. So to me, everything was very physical. And like I was listening to your podcast, and you sharing your story about I was telling my wife yesterday, I was like the thought of you running stairs in between cooking food, just so you could get enough calories. I said picture that I was telling my wife, picture that like imagine being that like manic, I was like I was blown away, I was almost speechless. I was like the dis-ease someone would need to have to be driven to that. I would say you watch them do something physical, but there's actually a mental-emotional driver. And so it took me a long time to really understand, like, I started personal training clients, at 17 years old. That was really my experience. And so to me, everything was physical. It was kickboxing, it was hitting, it was lifting weights, I did not believe in anything woowoo. And so like, this comes from my own personal experience. And then I think what this will do, I'll share this story with you is it will help you kind of understand, I think, where people run into issues when they are only focused on the physical. So I was at this event, and at this point, everything to me was physical. So I was like you lift weights, you eat a certain amount of protein, you do all these things that you know, as a trainer to do. You do your mobility, you get in the sun, you think about some holistic things like, okay, was that food full of pesticides or not full of pesticides. And that was pretty much where it ended for me. And I thought I, you know, I had a lot of success with that. And I went to this event, it was it was a Paul Chek, I don't know if you've ever heard of Paul Chek, but if you were training people back in the 90s, Paul Chek was like this really big, holistic kind of, he goes off the rails. And so he kind of did a similar thing that I think I experienced, and I think many people will experience when they've been in the industry for 10, 20, 30 years, is they start with the physical and then they start working with people and they feel physically they should be healed. So like, why are they not, and then they start looking for other solutions and accepting the possibility that maybe everything can't be physical. So I was at Paul Chek seminar, I ran into this guy, and he told me that he was a health and fitness journalist in New York City. And what had happened was, it was a great job, he loved to surf. And one day he's in the water in Costa Rica, and he's so, all of a sudden gets so weak, he drowns, and the guys surfing with them have to drag him back to shore. And then he was never ride again. He got Lyme disease, he was diagnosed with parasites, they brought him back to, like the New York Institute of Medicine, started doing research on him to try to figure out why he was so sick and was pretty much on his deathbed. And so he's telling me this story when I met him, and he's really skinny, like he's, like I'm looking at the guy and he's lean. But he definitely has kind of like this frail quality to him. And have you ever met someone who has a frail quality to them, like, I'm a bigger person, I'm like, over 200 pounds, he's like, you know, very small. And he tells me the story about how he almost died, and how essentially, the thing that helped him get better was this tool called the Lecher Antenna. And I have one over here. So if you're watching the video, see this is a Lecher Antenna. So basically, if you look up the Lecher Antenna, it has these frequencies that it measures and I believe it's Ernst Lecher who invented this and he won actually a Nobel Peace Prize for this for the invention of that and it basically measures different energy signals. Now, so the interesting thing about this in New York was the doctor who helped him get better was measuring people's blood, their bio resonance against all the different forms of treatment they could have and he was customizing them and that's how people were getting better. And he had learned it from a French doctor who was a Boeing engineer who was in China doing engineering for Boeing. Had a, I believe, was a knee problem could like barely walk went to see an acupuncturist and after like seeing all the experts in the United States, one acupuncture session, all of a sudden he was fixed and he couldn't believe it. And he couldn't understand it. You couldn't make (inaudible) as an engineer, you know, making airplanes fly. And so he went and he got another doctorate in Ayurvedic medicine, basically. And so then he took his knowledge of engineering and combined it with his knowledge of Ayurvedic medicine and created what was called the ACMOS system. Dr. (inaudible) and I got to meet him when I was studying in France, but he's passed away now. And this is kind of the story that this guy told me. And so I'm like, that's a cool story. Obviously, you're alive. I'm like, But what? I don't know if that's real, like, I have no experience. So I was like, can you do anything for me? So he's like, yeah, well, let me see, pull the antenna out, moves up and down, he waves it around a little bit. And he goes, okay, it says, I can do this point for you. And like at that point, I didn't realize it was an acupuncture point. I learned all these things later. But a lot of things that we get exposed to because our brains always taking information. It's like, well, we don't know what it means. But if we had enough, quote, intelligence or depth, we would understand that it actually means something. So at this point, I knew no idea what he was doing. He's whipping this thing around. He holds it on me. And I'm just standing there and I feel something weird, like happened to my hand, almost like something pushes out. Then he's done. He's like, okay, it's done. And I was like, all right whatever. I was like, cool. Well, I guess I'll let you know if I feel anything. Then (inaudible). I don't even remember falling asleep. And I woke up and I had not been that rested. Ever. And I'm like, at that point, I'm like a 20 probably a 25, 26-year-old trainer. I've been training people for about eight, nine years. And I was like, wow, okay, something happened, I still had no idea what that meant. So fast forward. It's like I started learning about acupuncture, I talked to, you know, different functional medicine doctors that also have degrees in acupuncture. And then I fly to France. And I learned this system from Dr. Naccachian and basically, what he did was he had measured that there was an imbalance in the energy field, he made sure that it was like, appropriate to treat, and he set the antenna to a certain frequency and he basically adjusted the frequency and it regulated the signal in my body. That's basically what happened. Okay, but I didn't know any of that and wouldn't know any of that until like five or six years later. And so there's so many things, like I just spent a weekend with chiropractors and there's only like 50 or 60 in the world that know this modality and they only ever teach it once. And so I'm talking to these chiropractors that are like 70 or 80 years old, that are at the top of their game, and they know so many different layers of things. But the reality is you could combine everyone's knowledge in that room and every other practitioner in the room and we still don't know everything about the human body. It's so incredible.

Amy Ledin 12:40

We're still learning.

Isaac Ho 12:41

We're still learning. Yeah, because it's so, it's so incredible, like in terms of, it'll happen and then we have to research and figure out why it happens. Like, that's just what happens, right?

Amy Ledin 12:50

And you find that people are just too skeptical still, like, they're just unaware. Because I mean, if you grew up in my era, like, we were told our brain is fixed the way it is, like we didn't even believe in neuroplasticity, right? Like, I didn't learn about that until my 30s. And I have cancer. And it was, you know, I found Joe Dispenza. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like, this is a whole new world that I didn't even know about. I always just thought like, your brain is your brain. And that's it, right?

Isaac Ho 13:18

Oh my gosh, like, I do not blame people for being skeptical. I'm one of the most skeptical people on the planet. So like, unless I have an experience, I'm not. I'm not for it. Right? And it's not because here's, here's the the reality with it. So let's just talk about acupuncture for a second. Okay, so what is happening in acupuncture? Well, if you, let's say you have to fast forward training, it's that you have what's called meridians. And those meridians may be fascial. But what you really have in the body is you have really quick electrical signals. So when they research how the brain is able to register your foot hitting the ground when you run, technically can't happen. It's way too fast even for your body to adjust even the ground contact time of sprinting. It's like, it's the same way we're like how can the bumblebee fly its wings are too small for the body, there is something else going on there. And so that electrical signal is so fast and it's functioning so intelligently. That whether we have the technology to measure all of those impulses, like we actually just just don't. And so with acupuncture, you have all these connected circuits, you can think about them like connected circuits. So like you hear about spleen, you hear about heart, you hear about triple heater, all these things. So you have all these connected circuits that are systems in the body that interface with each other. And then what the acupuncturist is doing if they stick a needle on it is they're saying that circuit's irregular and I need to either add or remove energy. So acupuncture, acupressure and different kinds of interventions, they're just changing the signal to the circuit, when they stick a needle in what they're thinking is happening, and so my acupuncturist friends tell me, is it's like you have a lightning conductor that you stuck into the ground and when the energy circuit hits it you get a magnified change quickly. When you just apply pressure or you use your hands, you're still getting a signal, but how much magnification is it? Dr. Naccachian has actually invented an electrical stimulator so that he could measure the signal with the device, I have it here in my office, and then you can light up and change like 100 circuits at one time instantly. Right? It has its own tech to interface with the electrical circuits. There are brilliant, there are tons of brilliant people like that. When someone comes to me, I usually will ask them a couple of questions. One, do they understand the process that we're going through, because it would be like taking supplements for one day sometimes. People take one supplement one day, it's like, you're not going to notice a difference. Like if you look at, if we did research on this device tool, whatever, there would be a certain dosage you need for a certain period of time to get an effective change. And you would even have to be measuring the right thing to know that it changed, right? And so if you're dealing with an electrical system, like acupuncture, or any other thing, you would need to have some kind of output system so you can measure change. So a lot of times are how we feel I think is very relevant. But we also have to ask, how are we accepting the change? Like how are we measuring that? And so a lot of times in quote, muscle testing, which I you know, muscle testing is an easy thing to get behind as a trainer, I think because you're like the muscle's stronger, the muscle's weak. When you get into neurological muscle testing, you realize there are certain rules that muscles should follow. So for example, if the spindle fibers compress and shorten, like in a massage, they should relax. So if you get a muscle that you test strong, but then you compress it and it doesn't test weak, then you actually have a abnormal neurological reaction in that muscle. So there are layers to how you would actually take input. So sometimes I'll get someone that's seen a muscle test and like, yeah, everything's strong on me. I'm like, cool, I don't care if it's strong, I actually, or weak, like that's a first layer, but we should have normal tenacity and normal neurological functions. And if I stimulate these muscles to different glands or systems, do you still get a proper response? Or do you get improper response? So there are like kind of layers to the game is what I would call it.

Amy Ledin 17:01

So when someone comes to you, like a person like that you think they should be, what's the first step in diving into something like this? Do they usually, do ask them like, do they have a history of anything or maybe they're not even aware of it? Because like you said, you start you're a personal trainer that just happened to come across this. So when this, you started to see this happen where does that person begin?

Isaac Ho 17:27

Yeah, that's a great question. So what I've learned that's kind of interesting is because the brain is running all your systems, like if you're alive, right now your brain is doing something. And if you were in a coma, your brainstem would still be functioning because you'd be breathing, right? But it can't do the other things, right? It can't open your eyes, they can't talk, and they probably can't digest at this point. So we've lost function, that makes sense? So when the brain is losing function, the client or you know, if I was a chiropractor, I call patient, but I'm not a clinician that way. The client will come to me, and they will actually say what the problem is. They'll tell me what they're worried about, they'll tell you the priority, because the brain is so stressed about it, it's not like they don't know they have that problem.

Amy Ledin 18:02

I'd be like, Oh, my digestion is terrible right now.

Isaac Ho 18:05

Yeah, exactly. My (inaudible). Nine times out of 10. It's some kind of emotional relationship issue that triggers an old relationship issue. And so they're actually they, if they feel comfortable, they actually tell you, they're having an emotional problem. That makes sense? Physical symptoms, but they'll come in oh, my God, work is so stressful. Nine times out of 10 when I work with a businessman, work is so stressful, I should let this person go. But I feel really bad because they're my friend. Oh, wow, is that the first time you've ever had that happen in your life? No, that's not the first time. Right? So you're just reliving a cyclical pattern that you don't know how to clear. And you have all this emotional compression around it, that's tied to we can think about it like this is that each brain cortex operates really intelligently with all our organs, and glands, you can actually map them out, they actually are mapped out. And then each of those actually has a social pressure. So like future of what's going on, debating a topic, having (inaudible) taking it very personally, because you have to think about it is those are unsafe social reflexes, right? It's (inaudible) kind of tribe and someone said, you're doing something wrong, you would have to actually talk about it now, in a more Paleolithic way, they don't talk that much, they would just fight about it. (Inaudible) it comes on (inaudible) Does that make sense? So you have all these reflexes that are triggered and programmed, and all those things will affect the body, and then all those have to affect other parts of the body. Right? And so like, we know that you can cut a limb off and what do you end up with? Phantom limb pain. Well, you don't have a limb anymore. So how can you hurt in the hand that you don't have? So that lives in the brain. All right. It lives in the brain. It lives in the reflex. And so a lot of what people are trying to deal with is dysregulated reflexes.

Amy Ledin 19:56

Well, that's so interesting you say that because I remember, so when Erik tore his distal bicep tendon, the chiropractor actually told him to get in front of a mirror and train the, because if you see the reflection, it will actually keep stimulating this other arm that's not even being trained. And that was like my first awareness of like holy cow, kind of like what you're seeing with the phantom limb, like there is so much more to it than just the actual movement of that. So besides like digestion, what are some of the areas that this would come up for someone? Like if someone's listening right now and they're like, okay, well, I got stress in my life, like, do I need to be doing acupuncture? Do I need to be doing some sort of, you know, energy healing? Like, how does that show up in the everyday life that you see?

Isaac Ho 20:42

So usually, it actually looks like this, someone comes in they complain of something really nagging in one specific area. Okay, so it's like a really bad shoulder or really bad knee, a hip that never recovered from surgery, an operation in their neck that just never healed right. They complain about something wrong in the system. They don't usually come and say like, hey, I've been really looking for a kick ass emotional therapist and so (inaudible) they're like, I have a physical problem. Like it's in the physical body, right? It's in the body-body. And I, by the way, I don't only recommend treating one part of the body, but you have to find priority, because you have what's called pain dumping, right? So if you have, in like attracts like, so in the way that like, you know, we talked about fungal and parasites, or some people talk about fungal parasites, but like, what does fungus do, it actually aids in decay? That's it, right? And so when you're a human being and your energy drops, you are closer to decaying, aren't you? And so your heat signature goes up. And so fungus doesn't have eyes it hunts by the heat signature. So you become a target for decay and you start to get ill and you become closer to the spectrum of decay. But we can take all the symptoms that decay and you could trace them up. And so do you need to deal with the fungal infection? Yeah at that point you do. But where did the issue really happen? And what is it impacting? And then how much of your life would you have had a trauma around that you needed to decay yourself to the point of all those symptoms before you stopped to get help? That's the emotional part. Does that make sense?

Isaac Ho 22:14

Totally. I mean, it scares me hearing this because we've talked about this, like, I didn't go to the root of a lot of my issues. And even then, like you've taught me, if someone's listening, and they've got, you know, some trauma, you have to first start with kind of the more recent. I was always going back to my childhood, or like, way, way, way before my cancer, but not even addressing this first place. So I'm excited to see that change now that I'm actually starting here. And then yes, I get maybe a little healthier, be able to go down those layers, right?

Isaac Ho 22:48

Yes, exactly. So what Amy's referring to like, is that you have to figure out based off where someone's at how much load they can tolerate. It's just like strength training, right? And so if someone's coming in, they're like, oh, my gosh, you know, I was beat and these are, like real example of clients I've worked with, I have a history of being raped, I was beat by a crowbar, and I take care of all my family members, and they all rely on me and I have work stress, and I'm trying to lose weight, and I hate my body. Okay, which one of those can you deload? Does that make sense? And if you go back to the crowbar, maybe not appropriate, maybe is appropriate, right? And so we have to think about one, how much capacity the person has for the current situation and then how many stressors are reflaring them. So it's just like a workout program if I went into the gym, and I had knee pain, but I just wanted a front squat so bad. So I'm still front squatting, and it tears my knee up, but then I go, you know what I won't do lunges, I'll just do hamstring curls instead, right? You hear this all the time, right? But I just gotta keep this one exercise in, right? So it's like, okay, like, we have to look at what they do outside of the session, because that's gonna determine like how well they're going to heal overall. And the more we do, the better, the less we alter, probably, the more they'll stay in that state. Because you have to remember, like, people are problematic because they live the way they live. That's it. Right? So if they didn't live that way, they wouldn't have that problem. So everything that they have is the result of that problem right now. So the more that we change related to that problem, the faster they'll probably heal, because we're removing them from the environment that's creating the problem, that most of my clients can't just dip on their environment, right? That's not the reality. So what we have to do is we have to go which of these are priority stressors? What can we do to make those healthier relationships and what do you need to heal inside of you, so you're not so overstimulated every time it hits you. Because if that's the case, our healing window is this probably nonexistent.

Amy Ledin 24:41

Right. Because you might be, your environment you're not going anywhere from your family or it's a job that you're not necessarily leaving so it's more about how can you meet that person there to then work on addressing that, right? And it's crazy that this is all stemming from a physical, people don't realize the physical component I mean, I read the book, Your Body Keeps Score, and it blew me away. Years ago when I listened, I listened to it on Audible. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I just had no idea that these were linked. I mean, even when we met, now, I'm diving all into digestion, because I'm realizing, all these years, I've just been grunting thinking, I'm not diving into any of my emotions, I was still looking for any physical, like a gut reset, or you know what I mean? Something like that. Not realizing, okay, well, this problem might just continue to come back or happen again, if I don't dive into that. So, when you talk about the energy of emotions, and where, okay, so now we know a little bit about acupuncture, we have these points on our body. Where does someone, let's say that they are listening to you going, okay, that's me, I've got a really stressful body. And I have like this nagging trap that constantly just no matter what I do, it doesn't matter what workouts I'm doing. I'm constantly doing this, like, where do I go, Isaac? Where do I start to dive into this? Besides following you and trying to read all your stuff.

Isaac Ho 26:07

(Inaudible) a lot of stuff I just don't have a lot of time to write anything is the problem. So let me kind of break it down this way. So and I have had that experience in my life too, where it's like I had all these physical people look at something and I had a reoccurring issue. It's like, I'll share the story really quickly. But bottom line is I went to a wedding with my wife, we're hanging out and didn't feel really comfortable at the wedding. I never really, I've never ever felt cool. Dancing has always been weird for me. I didn't grow up learning to dance or express myself. So it felt like I was a very on edge, I don't know if you've ever felt like that. And so, the next day, man, I had this terrible neck pain, like in my upper trap ribs, whatever. And it went on, like I couldn't even wash dishes it hurt. And I foam rolled it, I massaged it, I went in and saw, I got pretty good level treatment for it, still retained. I was at this at this seminar. And this guy goes, oh, you know, you're doing all this stuff for it. But the reason you have that pain, he's like, you got a knife in the back, I can see it. I go, well, what do you mean, and he's like, knife in the back. He's like, somebody decided that they wanted to stab you in the back energetically didn't like you, for whatever reason, and they put that knife in there, I can see it. I was like, what, and then he just passed my muscle, and goes knife in the back, and then my arm goes weak. And then he pulls the knife out before he gets on his airplane. He's like going on a shuttle, is this doctor, like, you know, and it's like, I ended up studying with him later. But wildly, dude, as soon as he pulled it out, the pain went away and never came back.

Amy Ledin 27:27

That is crazy.

Isaac Ho 27:28

So like (inaudible) I learned, I'm just like, you know what, if I didn't experience it, now, I also think like, if you're scientifically-minded, you think about placebo. You think about if you know anything about holograms and agreement, you know about witnessing, you know, all these things that I think are advanced, more advanced healing concepts. I don't know how familiar a lot of people are about them. I keep that in mind, too. But that pain never returned. And so essentially how you get these kinds of problems and why I'm bringing it up is there are different kinds of problems you can have emotionally, that's why I want to clarify. So you have the emotional field, which we can think about if you look at field research, there's more than one level of field that comes out of the body, okay? And so to share with you briefly is there is a protective field that you have around your body and 10% of your body's resources should protect you from microwaves and other things like that. The reason why some people are so responsive to that like a microwave, I can feel a microwave, oh my god, 5g, etc, it's like that field is not available for them, they don't have enough energy to divert to create a protective field. And so in my app, the first thing you do is you're just trying to make sure someone has a protective field because the moment they step outside without a protective field, they're toast. So anytime someone's complaining they're coming in, they don't have any field to protect them, they don't have that 10% available. So I always tell my clients, you should have a 10% field. And if you don't have it, you're probably gonna be hypersensitive to every single little thing. Now, once we blast through that field, once you lose that field, now it's going to hit the it's going to hit more of your energy body, like the internal side of it, and then it's going to start becoming a physical problem, right? And so there are different levels to this field. So if we think about what we would need to do to make sure we kind of have a healthy field, first thing we would go is do I have a 10% protective field. The second thing we can then ask ourselves, once we have that 10% protective field is how is the state of the body overall functioning? So I know you and I were talking about chakras. And so chakras are conductors of energy. So if you think about you're on this planet, like literally planet so I'm not saying like this in the like, stars kind of way I'm talking about like you're literally a planet Earth and the gravity is keeping you here or if you're in space, you'd be floating away. There's a force called gravity going from the center of the planet and that's pulling you so there's one field there and then you have all the energy that comes up from the sky, the sun, everything. What we would call like radiation, I guess, okay? Some kind of ozone that's actually coming down from the top. So what's going to allow all those energies to move well, like, you know, gravity exists, otherwise you wouldn't be on the planet, you'd be floating in space. And you know that there's radiation, because otherwise you wouldn't bother to put sunscreen on. So those two have to pass through you. And so your chakras are basically transformers of that energy so they can move well, does that make sense? (Inaudible) it's kind of like mystical energy stuff. It was like data someone was able to take in. And then people that are more engineer-minded, they're, they're able, I think, to connect those concepts better. So I just want people to understand, you should have a 10% field that protects you. That's the first thing you should start with. If you don't have that. It's like every day you're going to cry about something. Okay. The second thing is that you should have these chakras or these transformers I would say, they should be in good functioning order. Right? And they should ideally, we have a transformer or like a pipe, we wouldn't want that pipe to be like straight line for efficiency. So if you've got like one chakra, where it's like, oh, you know, root chakra is safety. If you're worried about your safety in the past, and that's behind you. Well, now your pipe is like twisted. If you've got a root chakra and you're like, hey, I've got a root chakra. And that's like, I'm worried about like, is this going to go well in the future for my business? Well, now that chakra is all the way in front of you. And now we got a twist in the pipe. If we've got, like, I was raped when I was young, and that's a second chakra issue, which is probably enjoyment of life, and you're not healed from that enjoyment. And now you feel like it's stolen from you forever. Guess what, you got a twist in the pipe. So people get these twists in the pipe at every level based off every emotion, and then the transformers are just totally off. So now the body can't be good. Does that make sense? The actual body that these chakras pass through, are all warped. So we have a secondary issue now. So first, we don't have any field at that point, probably. So we're absorbing everything. And second, we can't even compensate for staying on this planet well, there's just too much dysregulation. So that would be the second thing that I would address is, is those transformers working correctly? After I have that, there's there's different fields, and we're probably not going to go into them. But like that is a good place to start for a lot of people is, do your transformers work correctly? And do you have any kind of field to protect you from basic stuff that you shouldn't really have (inaudible)?

Amy Ledin 32:15

Right. So when you're going through so because I obviously know my poles are definitely crooked, because we've talked about this, and then even just listening to you here, I'm like, oh, my gosh, that example you gave I totally, like uncertainty, like people that live with uncertainty, or let's just even talk about through COVID. Right? Like, how many people were living in a state of uncertainty, fear? What are some of these things that people should be doing? Whether it be on a daily basis that help straighten that out? Is it the energy healing? Is it you know, going through that, like?

Isaac Ho 32:50

Yeah, oh, I love that question. So I actually believe and this is not, I think how most health practitioners believe, but I believe there are levels to the game. And so when I say levels to the game, it's just like in a business, you can make six figures. And that's cool. And some people stay there forever. And like, I talked to a friend of mine, he's like, yeah, my mom and dad owned a car dealership, and they don't make enough money to bring in a lot of staff, but they do well for themselves. Right? Then there's the family dealership that owns three giant automobile dealerships. They have 60 employees, and you walk in and immediately someone made you coffee. That's a different level. Does that make sense? You walk in as a customer and they're doing you know, it's completely different. So it's like, what is the level of the game you're trying to play in your body is usually what I asked my client, like, what is the goal here? Because like, my wife is not a health practitioner. She cares nothing about this. I'm a health coach. And I love this stuff. I can sit and learn about the body all day. So my level of what I want is different. Does that make sense? And so I'm going to a different amount of time and energy because it's more aligned with my purpose. So I always ask the client that because there's different levels. So most people, they just want to get out of pain. That's a lot of people I work with, they just don't want to be in pain anymore. Right? So an example of this would be like, I had a client that reached out and they're like, yeah, you're the only ACMOS person in like the United States, so they reached out to me. And basically, they were having issues with digestion, where their skin would break out if they eat raw vegetables. So they eat raw vegetables but now, like I shouldn't be having a problem in raw vegetables, but I literally would get acne. All right. So I just told him like, okay, we do a session. So I did a session and like now he knows what to do and it's fixed. Okay, now is did we, how much did we fit? What did we even do there? It's the question (inaudible) on. So what we've done is we've adjusted the signal so he's not as toxic. And because if you're toxic, you're gonna have to push things out through your skin system. It's feces, oxygen, urine and skin. Those are detox systems. They don't have any other way. Right? Okay. When women have hormones like they have menopause or they have their period, time of the month, what do they end up with? Lots of migraines. Why? Why do you end up with migraines, well you create all this hormone during the time of the month. Where do you detox that?

Amy Ledin 35:08

Well, obviously, it's coming out, like you said.

Isaac Ho 35:10

It has to circulate, right? And so (inaudible) into chemicals that then flood your brain. And those are probably toxic because your body wants to get rid of them. Right? And so when you're under more toxic load, you end up with migraines.

Amy Ledin 35:25

Well, so this is interesting. I took a little note here. So and I'll actually share this in the notes of the podcast episode. So a couple years ago, I found this, I want to say he's like a Tony Robbins. His name's Kerwin Rae. And he is in Australia, really well known there. And he was a public speaker, like, always, you know, busy doing all and he started having this eye issue. He thought it was a physical, he was like, I'd seen every specialist and it was almost like it was red and swollen, and it would flare up. And he met like a guy that came to one of his things and said, I want to I want to work with you, therapy-wise, like, let's go do a session together. And they and this was in Lifetime. So this is why I want to share the video because you're gonna be blown away. This is what my first introduction to holy crap, you can heal yourself through your emotions, because he starts talking to him. And this guy dives in. And basically he has this fear of, you know, a failed marriage. He had his parents and like, it was like a true fear not even related to his career of what he's doing on a daily basis. That's why it was blowing him away. And he had to actually go through a process of forgiving himself, forgiving his mother, and you watch in Lifetime, his eyes start to get less swollen, the redness, like it was crazy. Like, I'm like, okay, I had to see it. I think and I think a lot of people like listening, they might be skeptical. But I would say having an open mind also being more highly suggestible is only going to do you a favor here, it doesn't hurt to believe, right? And so for me watching him, I mean, I immediately, reached out to him, and I'm like, This is crazy. I've never seen anything like this and he was very skeptical himself initially, until he was like, wow. And then it took his career, in a completely, you know, now he is really big on forgiveness for yourself that a lot of people are holding on to so much just within themselves, not even what someone else has done to them. And by letting that go, whether I mean, I don't know enough about the Steven speak on it, whether it's like into the energy field, I don't know. But watching him physically change was so powerful for me, you know, like, I'm like, how is this happening? So, is that kind of what you're talking about here, when we're going through these fields?

Isaac Ho 37:48

Totally all connected. Yeah. And so like, I had a really good friend of mine, do forgiveness prayers. So if anyone's wondering about, like, how this works, so when I said there's different levels, so to me, the highest level of doing anything is actually to be a teacher. And that's why mystics and gurus teach. That's it, right? Because they know it so well. They teach it to other people. If you're just like, I'm trying to get out of pain, like someone can actually do the forgiveness prayer for you.

Amy Ledin 38:17

Oh my gosh, I love that you're saying that because (inaudible).

Isaac Ho 38:20

Yeah, so it's like, they're gonna do the therapy for you. Yeah, they do it for you, right. And I've seen crazy results. As a fitness trainer, I've literally seen people get forgiveness prayers done, walk into my gym the next day, and they're like, their pants don't fit anymore. They lost like 20 pounds of inflammation. You know, it's crazy now, does it come back? Yes, it comes back. But why does it come back? You have to think about this. So if you don't consciously connect to the idea that is administered and you don't understand it, then you will have to recreate the problem. Okay, so they can remove it from the field, it won't be as stimulating to you it won't be as disastrous, but it will you bought yourself some time, basically. So you could pay someone to basically just reset you all the time. I've had clients that do that. I know I'm super sensitive to spicy food. I can't handle it. I also know it only enzymes, guess what threw my back out when I had spicy food. Are you available Tuesdays so you can treat that again? Okay, cool. Like how (inaudible) do you want to do it's kind of up to you. Right? And that doctor in particular, he was good just paid me every time his back went out when he had spicy food. Right?

Isaac Ho 39:26

So crazy.

Isaac Ho 39:28

It just depends, right? But the forgiveness prayers I think are huge. I'm not a person who likes to do treatments for people I will say that so what I mean by that is I'd much prefer them to learn how to do it themselves and to handle it themselves because my goal is that they know how to keep themselves optimal. Same with exercising, my goal is to like teach people how to have the proper form, learn the programming and then if they want me to program for them or a team to program for them. totally happy to do that. But like, like there's the social community part of it, going into the gym is all social community. You know that because you're an aerobics instructor, right? If people and weight watchers, like how important is social community? So important (inaudible) that people need to hire therapists and trainers for the social part, I believe they should find those and develop those with wherever. So I like I go to workout at a commercial gym even though I own my own gyms, and I have a gym in my garage. Why? Because I just like being part of that energy that's been created there. But I don't necessarily need like a trainer for that because like the flex side I get. So I think that's really important for someone to consider, like, do you want someone to just do it for you? Now you'll get to a point where you may need more active engagement if you don't want it to reoccur. And so that's something that I do measure with people because it's going to determine, you know what I recommend based off that, but you can get forgiveness prayers you can get it's so, it's crazy. So like, you know, like there's two bodies of work, I think that are primary when it comes to energy field. And so like for anyone that doesn't know anything about energy, it's like, first step, like I was never really open to energy I use an antenna to measure that. I understand like electricity exists, because obviously, I've shocked myself reaching into a socket before. I've had weird stuff have in my kitchen when the wiring wasn't great. So like we know these things exist, you just have to ask yourself, like how open you are do it at first and then once you're decide that you're open, then you can start to explore a little bit more. So when we talk about emotions, what is forgiveness is like forgiveness is release, simple. Yeah, I'm holding on to something. Okay, cool. So do you think if I put a 20-pound sandbag on your left shoulder and a 60 pound kettlebell on your right hand, and said, walk around like this for life, that you would have some problems? Well, yeah, absolutely. So if you're holding on to anything, and you haven't released it, of course, you're going to have issues. And so it's going to create blockages, it's going to create tension, so you have to release those. So you can learn to release those, you can be more conscious. So you know, I use a technique for that to help my clients and you and I've done some work where you start self-identifying things you're still holding on to, and then shifting energy around them. And like we have energy around the history of that. And then we have energy about where it lives in the body. And we just want to get that out. We don't want to entertain it and hold on to it and (inaudible) continue to weigh us down.

Amy Ledin 42:18

Would that be something as simple as a person like sitting down with a piece of paper and maybe looking for the areas that they've had some unforgiveness?

Isaac Ho 42:26

Totally? Yeah, it can be. It's funny. So like, all you have to do is look at what makes you angry. That's it. What are you angry about? And so like in business, they say, what your mission is to fix the thing, right? Fix the thing, you struggled with. A lot of times business owners, they can be so unhealthy because they're actually trying to address a wound they have and they're so passionate about it, and it's becoming their demise.

Amy Ledin 42:52

Gotcha.

Isaac Ho 42:53

Yeah. And so, you know, I like to say that it's like, you can make that your mission without having an emotional intensity around it. Right? There's actually a fine balance. And so, they say that love is the opposite of hate. Right? They're on the same spectrum, though, because you can't know love without hate, just like you can't know pain without pleasure. And so the same thing applies in emotion is that the emotion needs to be regulated for the body to be healthy. Too far one way is not healthy. If it's too far the other way, it is not healthy. So like in terms of that answer is like, yeah, you could sit down, you can just ask yourself, like, what really upsets me in the world, and it will probably very likely be linked to an old, old wound in your energy field, an old emotion, something you just haven't let go. Sometimes they are so, so silly. They'll just be most memories that people have as a child are actually emotional burdens. Because the brain

Amy Ledin 43:44

(Inaudible) that because sometimes you've just told yourself a story. Like it might not even be accurate, right? But it's just something that you've carried for all these years. And then, you know, maybe just going through that practice of writing it down, keep talking. And then would you ever suggest someone rewriting their story of like, how they've, does that help the brain kind of accept it?

Isaac Ho 44:07

They can. So there's like the if you don't have techniques version, and there's the if you have techniques version, right? And this is kind of, you know, where it is. And so I will say personally, the ones that you have to do that are very intense, like that guy who was walking someone through a really specific forgiveness process, and you saw it change in real time. Are some of the things I will do. They're way more advanced than what someone could access themselves. Okay. So, of course, if we're just understanding that because sometimes there'll be, people will be like, yeah, I rewrote my story. It did nothing. I'm like, but even look at how you talk about it not working in your upsetness you're actually still angry at someone. So I don't know if you identified the correct one that needed to be dealt with. Does that make sense? And so there's a lot of people can kind of fall down anytime you are trying to, it's like being your own coach. Probably not a great thing. You know, my wife and I were listening to Layne Norton, one of the best figure competitors ever. He was like, I hire a coach, because trust me, I'm really bad at being my own filter for bias. Make sure that we're not, you know, biasing ourselves. But they can, you can rewrite your own story, you can set fire to the, I mean, there's so many things that can help. The key is how are you releasing it? I think the issue that most people have is they release it in the energy, and they don't change it in their life.

Amy Ledin 45:28

Okay, so give me an example of that, how someone would release that. But then what does it show up by anger still coming up? So they really didn't really sit?

Isaac Ho 45:39

Yeah. So the way that it works is that once it's in your energy field, it lives in your cells. But of course, your cells process things in an order, right? And so we know that if we have an emotion that affects all our organs, which is why digestion becomes a big thing. I know, that's a big thing that you're researching. So if somebody comes and let's just pick a random emotion. Let's pick fear. Okay, so let's say they are afraid, where's that going to exist? Well, in their hormones, specifically, the kidneys, the adrenal medulla, the adrenal cortex, right? Those are going to be really relevant. And so what will they probably have a really stiff back. Right? A really stiff back, because that's where the kidneys are located, probably have a weak (inaudible) may even test weak in the clear, right? So they can't hold their leg up straight. There's no strength there. Right? Okay. So let's say we have these correlations of all these different things that are happening with this person. And so they're like, yeah, I'm tired all the time. My eyes water, when I see light, and I got all these adrenal problems, and I have all this fear. So they do this fear process, and they write everything down. And they're like, I'm releasing all this stuff. Cool. Awesome. So the first step is they know they have fear, and they release it. What did we replace the fear with? That's the issue. So anything, it's the law of the universe, anything that once removed, creates a hole, a vortex. Right? And so it pulls new things. And so what do they end up pulling? A secondary dysfunction in. And so people go, I don't want to create anymore. So what am I going to do? I'm going to challenge everything and in my fear I'll vortex that into a permutation of that emotion, because I really haven't learned how to deal with it.

Amy Ledin 47:16

Okay, so is this where we replaced mind with ease, like making sure that I have a replacement that, okay.

Isaac Ho 47:22

Exactly. So we have to know what we're replacing things with. Because otherwise, we're just creating, like, you cut out a cancer and a new one grows in.

Amy Ledin 47:30

And someone once said that, to me, they're like, I feel like you're a like, she was like an energy, you know, healer, and she's like, you're attracting more of the chaos, like because you haven't replaced, like, you keep saying you don't want it, but like, you're not replacing it with something specific. And so then you're getting more, you know, people that are like, why does everything bad happen to me?

Isaac Ho 47:54

When I hear that my immediate thought is the failure was on her to not give you a replacement. Okay, because energetically and she didn't have to give it to you, but as your guide, as a person giving you information. You and I had this talk about cancer, right? It's like, wait, were they giving you glutathione while you were on chemotherapy? We don't burn inflammation down when you try to kill something. Right? And so like, The guide should be guiding you into thinking about these things. And so if she's like, I'm going to do energy work and remove something, then she should also be informed you need to replace it. Otherwise, you're setting that person up potentially to spin really hard.

Amy Ledin 48:35

Okay, so when someone you know, this is obviously I'm gonna assume I shouldn't say this, but it's a long game, right? Like, yes, you're you could have like changes, but it's something that needs to be practiced regularly. Like, is that what you would suggest to someone if they're gonna, you know, they're coming down this path? And they're like, okay, I think this is me, like, I've got some issues, and I definitely, maybe I'm dealing with some unforgiveness or, you know, trauma. It's not a one-and-done, like you said, like, well, you can practice with these people and have sessions with them. They need to do things on their own.

Isaac Ho 49:13

Yes, they, for the highest level of healing, they want to optimize their environment. That's always the rule. So it doesn't matter if like we're doing nutrition stuff, they want to optimize the nutrition, right? Obviously. We're doing exercise stuff. We want to optimize the movements. Every part we want to think about the cardio, we want to think about the stretches, we want to think about the weightlifting exercises, right? The more they optimize, the better outcomes they will get. Right? And so I think we're always trying to give someone something accessible, like write something on a piece of paper, you pick anything like the guided meditation, online, you pick a breathing, exercise, all those things, you pick journaling, you pick, rewriting your story, all those things are helpful. Now, are you going to heal from that? That's the question most people are asking me is that going to get rid of my pain? And so my answer to that is always this, it's that pain is multi-system. Okay? Very important. Pain is multi-system. It is not one thing doesn't cause pain, dumping of many signals causes pain, you can have a chemical-based pain, you can have an emotional-based pain, you can have constriction of the fascia-based pain, right? So it's multi system. So like what's going to help somebody with their pain is going to be what is the priority system that's causing most of that discomfort. So like, you know, I had someone I was treating yesterday, and like, now their nervous system has gotten so bad, they can't go to work. And so like even, it was like a driving stimulus. So I found there was one set of dysfunction related to gripping the wheel, then I found there is another set of dysfunctions related to actually using their gas pedal and brake pedal, then there was another dysfunction related to the thought of what happens if I wipe out this commercial vehicle, and all the implications of that. Does that make sense? And then they had their other stuff they had sitting on top of that stacked on top. Does that make sense? So we can make a pile this big. And they've thrown 10 things on top of the pile, and now they're having a symptom. So you know, I think a lot of times why people don't get better is really simple. They just don't do enough work. They don't take enough off the stack. And so all these things take weight off the stack, breathing exercises, take weight off the stack, doing yogi sequences that are well designed by an actual Indian guru, do not do random yoga, by the way, they'll mess yourself up because you have to realize that they are working with the yogis, not the Western, but the real yogis, what are they changing with yogic postures? Those asanas are changing energies in the body. And if you don't know how to read energies, you can't just pick random stretches. Does that make sense?

Amy Ledin 51:51

Interesting. Yeah.

Isaac Ho 51:52

Because each transformer is moving a certain way. Each asana which is posture is creating energy through the body. And so if you can't see energies, and you didn't design a safeguard energy protocol, you could really mess somebody up.

Amy Ledin 52:08

Wow, that's easy, because I think a lot of people are practicing yoga in like, the total incorrect ways.

Isaac Ho 52:16

They are like hot yoga is the most ridiculous thing in the world because the number one rule of yoga is that it heats your body and you do it before the sun rises, and after the sun sets. So to put someone in a hot environment while they internally heat themselves, what are you going to create? Massive problems, burnout, all those things. So but that's just a lack of misunderstanding. I think just like when I said when the energy practitioner didn't give you something to replace it, like, maybe they understand the mechanisms that were being affected. That makes sense? So I'm really big on mechanisms. And so when it comes to healing, it's like, what's the mechanisms we need to affect to optimize this specific set of issues? So like, in a perfect world, it's like, they reset their energy in the morning, they're very conscious about clear living with vitality, they're not stressed through the day, when I say stressed through the day doesn't mean they don't have things they're doing. But they don't interpret those as stressful, or they don't blow out their brain signals and tell their brain something is wrong as they go through the day. Does that make sense? So that means like, if I do a meditation in the morning, or something that aligns my energies, I'm in a good state, right? I just created a buffer. But if I'm going to send that to today, the more signal dysregulation that hits me. So if I'm like, my son needs something, and I have a wound about my father not taking care of me, I will immediately lose signal when that hits me. If I didn't do the meditation, and I have that wound, well then guess what happens? Now I'm in a worse spot. You see how this works? You can't digest foods if you can't digest certain foods, okay? Because you're like, a.m. high stress, whatever, but I'm taking enzymes, so you get a little bit of uptake, but the rest of it is toxic. Boom, you just lost signal again, and you have to detox that.

Amy Ledin 53:56

Wow.

Isaac Ho 53:57

Friends that you drink some alcohol and you're like, I'm in a social environment, that guy looked at me weird, have some unhealed stuff about men, boom, you just lost signal again. So you know, people don't heal because they don't understand the mechanisms.

Amy Ledin 54:10

Wow. Okay, I'm blown away. Because as you were saying that I'm like, okay, so this would explain why, if I'm not doing some of those practices, say, first thing in the morning, I just jump into my day. Perhaps that's why sometimes, and it doesn't happen often, but on these days, those things affect me more, I definitely have the wound of like, parents not taking care of me. And so certain days when my kids asked me for things, I just lose my crap. Like I'm literally triggered over them just asking a question and I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, what is going on with me to be so not realizing that it's obviously downstream to something that I've not really addressed? Would you ever recommend people then I mean, I don't know if you know, a lot about like, the child wound and the you know, like, right, you know, again, it's back to doing some of that work of writing the letter to yourself. Do those things I mean I know it's kind of multifaceted where there's layers, I mean, all the things you said, I do a lot of these practices already, breathwork, I am doing meditation, so it's, is that just one more tool to add to the toolbox to use?

Isaac Ho 55:18

The story writing? Instead of rewriting your story from the past, my recommendation would be if someone was coming to me specifically with this, and they said, what do you think can be the most helpful about shifting my story? I would say that you have to create a new present. That's (inaudible) helpful, which means that, like, once you're aware of how you interpreted that story, then you walking around every day, and affirming that this thing that happened to you back then, is now a positive blessing and you're grateful for it, that is the solution.

Amy Ledin 55:56

Okay. Yeah. So, that might be similar to like, we've talked about it on the podcast, future self journaling, you know, Nicole LePera does this, she has like, a template that she gives you. But I used to be a big time overreactor, like, I would just over you know, one to 10, I started a future self journaling, which was really about how I'm going to show up that day, like, in the future. And it was crazy, because I mean, 50 days in, and that's the thing, people think it's just gonna happen overnight. It's not like if you've got these deep-rooted patterns, right? But I started to finally I was able to pause in some of those moments where I was going to react, overreact. And I think because I had read, I had wrote a future story of how I would show up, that was kind of helping change the decision that I'd make in my brain at that point. Does that make sense?

Isaac Ho 56:43

Absolutely. Yeah. Because you're seeing consciousness to the future, right, you're bringing consciousness to the present, which then changes the future outcome, which also just changes how you experience it now, which is kind of the point of exposure therapy. Right? And so like, that is really helpful. I mean, me personally, what I like to do is teach my clients how to self-test like you and I've been doing, and then teach them different layers of the self-testing game, right, so they become their own diagnostic tool. And if you're, like, not good at testing, actually like them to learn how to use the Lecher Antenna, because it's less biased, and it's very, like a clean spin or no spin. I really like that. So I actually recommend, a lot of my clients, people I've worked with I'm just like, get a Lecher Antenna, learn how to read the chart, learn how to scan yourself, learn how to process your emotions, and then learn how to actually implement those. And I think that's where coaching is really effective. For me, what I've seen is just pulling an emotion out of someone and leaving them be, they've got so much environment that it's not like they can spin out of that force, they actually have to make a conscious decision to exit the current situation they're in, and they have to move a different direction. And so that, and they're going to trigger other layers of trauma, as they do that, because they're in that situation, because it's the safest for them currently, as soon as they exit, they will have (inaudible) right? So I tell my business coaching clients this all the time, it's like, okay, you were doing one-on-one work, now you want marketing, you've never had marketing. So you're probably going to experience some interesting things and hit your (inaudible) around marketing. Right? Same if you've never done your own sales, same when you raise your prices, all those things have to happen, because you've not been in that environment before and you've kept yourself safe from it up till this point.

Amy Ledin 58:28

And this is probably where the coaching really comes into play. Because you really want someone to help guide you through that. So talk to me, I mean, I know, and I'm always begging you to do, you need to do some sort of course, that is like a beginner place for someone to come and learn some stuff. But where, like if someone's listening to this today, and I know we're going to do a second part where we're going to go into the physiology of emotion. But where can someone find you? What you know, like, because they're listening to this and like, I don't even know where to start? Like, I don't even, I wrote down the antenna, and I know all this, like, where can they find you? How can they work with you? Give me all the details.

Isaac Ho 59:08

Yeah, so they can find me at my gym and our holistic programs. It's beometry.com (inaudible) beometry.com and then one of the things that we'll have a link for is I'm actually going to give away a scholarship for actually helping with the emotional side of these things. And so if that's something that they want to do, they can enter to win a scholarship.

Amy Ledin 59:31

Oh, that's amazing. I'm so excited. And those of you listening, I mean, I don't like to bring on people that I don't have some sort of experience, especially if they're going to come in and teach something. So I've just been, you know, blessed to have some time with you. And already in our short time. I mean, I've been blown away by just the help that you've been able to give me so I'm excited for us to dive into part two next time. I'm sure I'll probably even have more questions from this one that I'll I want to bring into part two. So if you're following along, I'm going to be releasing part one and two at the same time. So you'll be able to already go right into the next one. But thank you so much, Isaac for coming on today. And I mean, I'm, I've got two, two cards of notes here that I'm like, more stuff to work on. But I really, and maybe you're listening, and don't be defeated by that, because that's a quick place I can go because I feel like I've done a lot of work over the last decade. But instead, I'm trying to spin that and go, this is an opportunity to learn a new area that I've never even dove into. So I'm actually excited because I'm like, okay, I have, I feel hopeful, you know what I mean, to fix in and heal some of these places that honestly, it affects every part of my life, not just our physiology, you know it affects just as so much. So I'm excited for that. Thank you again, for coming on. Any last words or anything you want to add that I've missed?

Isaac Ho 1:00:58

No, I so appreciate you having me on. And I love I love talking about this. I think energy work is so ambiguous, I was really confused about really skeptical, you know, I had a brilliant friend of mine who she was actually when she went to Yale and Stanford, she was a lawyer for the state, she was so intelligent. And when she started getting into energy work, I was like, Dude, I was like cuckoo cuckoo. But to say that I was like, you're too smart. Like, I just knew she was too smart to not see something. Does that make sense? And so like, I didn't get into energy work at that point, necessarily. But I knew there was something going on. And I will say a lot of psychotherapists that have a long career like retired, like her mom was actually a psychotherapist and retired, they get varying energy work too, because they realized that trying to affect only the mind to get to the mental body just doesn't work. Like there is

Amy Ledin 1:01:49

Because it's all, it's all connected, right?

Isaac Ho 1:01:51

Right, there are just multiple bodies. And I think that that's why I'm really big on the mechanisms. Because if we think about what it impacts and all the mechanisms, then we can do our best to find a solution. But if we treat either energy or these other things, there's a limit to the intellect of the human being. And just like you said, it's like when you're for something happens, and you make it this big thing. Was that true or not? I don't know. But we just know you have the intellect of a four-year-old, and you transfer that into your brain and stored it forever with that intellect. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying it was a four-year-old intellect. Right? So you probably have heard this, that you can get wounded a certain age and stay in that state until you heal that, right? Because your brain is traumatized in that era. So the same thing for us, I think it's how much intellect do we bring to the healing process? We can't only be intuitive, because with only intuition, we could treat symptoms forever. That's the problem. And with only (inaudible), the other thing is we we can't conclude to find a path of multiple mechanisms that may need to be treated. So if I'm only an energy healer, I may run out of things to do, because I don't have mechanisms available to me to make change in those engines. Does that make sense? In nutrition, and that person is stressed out of their mind killing themselves with neuroendocrine load. And then maybe I'm a nutritionist who doesn't understand toxicology, then now I'm missing engines that I need in order to elicit a result. And that person is not going to detox fat. Because those fat cells are so toxic, the heart would freak out. That makes sense? Just considering the mechanism. So if you're listening to this, just understand that the emotions, if they're a mechanism that you haven't dealt with, it would probably be a benefit for you to deal with that. But I think if you're interested in learning the body and you're interested in healing, then learning the mechanisms is really your key to understanding how the thing that you live inside of and the thing that operates you as a human being is really part of the greatest journey I think you could ever go on.

Amy Ledin 1:03:57

That's amazing. I'm so excited for our next one. And, again, thank you so much. We will have in the show notes like where you can find Isaac, I will link that other you know, study just again, to let your brain I'm big on your brain needs that proof for those of you that are skeptical, and I love I love for us to see those kinds of things, because then it really opens you up to being open to something like this because a few years ago, I was totally turned off by this. So I'm excited and thanks again and we will see you next time.

Amy Ledin 1:04:32

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