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What Is The Big FHE Unlock? With Guy Zyskind
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Privacy-enabled blockchain technology is transforming how we process sensitive data. In conversation with Guy Zyskind, we explore how Fully Homomorphic Encryption (FHE) allows smart contracts to compute encrypted data while maintaining security. Real-world applications are already emerging on Arbitrum's infrastructure - from sealed-bid auctions pre…
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Superchain vs. Arbitrum Orbit Debate with Ryan Wyatt, A.J. Warner, and Jill Gunter
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For today's episode, we decided to up the spice levels and have some fun. While technical specifications and token metrics often dominate L2 discussions, a more compelling story lies beneath the surface: the fundamental philosophical and strategic differences between Ethereum's leading scaling solutions, Arbitrum and Optimism. In a recent roundtabl…
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Crypto's New Valuation Frameworks with Jordi Alexander and Sam Kazemian
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For today's episode, we are discussing the evolving frameworks for understanding value in the crypto markets, with the goal of answering the following: How do we value digital assets in an ecosystem that's constantly evolving? We were joined with industry veterans Jordi Alexander and Sam Kazemian who both revealed fascinating insights in how we sho…
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Steven Goldfeder on Arbitrum’s Lore, Orbit Appchain Thesis, and DeFi Renaissance
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In today’s video, we are joined by Steven Goldfeder to discuss scaling Ethereum.Steven Goldfeder joins us to examine Ethereum scaling through Arbitrum's journey - from Princeton research paper to production infrastructure.We'll analyze Orbit's technical architecture, which enables customizable chain deployments, and evaluate their "community source…
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Why Based Rollups Are Ethereum's Best Bet with Sam Battenally
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For today's episode, were taking a deep dive into based rollups to answer the following question:Could the next breakthrough in Ethereum scaling come from working with the network rather than around it? While most rollup solutions build separate consensus layers, an intriguing new approach called based rollups takes a different path – leveraging Et…
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How To Become The Best Crypto Investor Of All Time with Santiago Santos
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Beyond protocols and price charts, today's episode dives into navigating crypto as an investor, builder, and human being. Our conversation with Santi spans from deeply personal insights on mental health and finding meaning, to why crypto remains one of today's most transformative industries. At its core is a powerful message about belief - the conv…
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How Fast Confirmations Will Improve Rollup UX with Ben Fisch and Matt Pearring
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Today's episode explores how the rollup-centric vision for Ethereum brought massive scalability gains, but also new challenges - from fragmented liquidity to complex coordination across execution layers. Enter Espresso and Arbitrum's collaboration, tackling these hurdles head-on. At its core is Espresso's fast confirmation system, enabling rollups …
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AggLayer Mainnet Launch Is Coming With Marc Boiron
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The blockchain landscape is evolving beyond isolated chains and fragmented liquidity. Enter AggLayer - a framework reimagining how rollups and chains interact. But why does this matter? AggLayer isn't just another interoperability solution. It's a foundational layer that lets chains share network effects while maintaining their independence. Think …
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Nick White and Jon Charbonneau on The Rise of Celestia's Native Ecosystem
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In today's episode, we explore the next evolution of the modular blockchain landscape with Nick White and Jon Charbonneu. Celestia's base layer now supports 21 chains and is pushing sovereign rollups as the next step. As a minimalist data availability focused L1, Celestia has had a big year with a lot yet to come. Our conversation explores the mech…
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Can Elastic Chain Solve Crypto's Biggest Problem? With Alex Gluchowski
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For today's episode, we dive into Elastic Chain and the core principles of ZK technology. Imagine if interacting across blockchains was as simple as sending an email - no fragmented bridges, no multiple wallets. That's exactly what ZK Sync's Elastic Chain aims to deliver. At its core, Elastic Chain is built on a powerful premise: scalability, inter…
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Ed Felten on Arbitrum DAO, Timeboost, and His Newest Research
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For today's episode, the spotlight is on Arbitrum—not just the L2 you’ve come to know, but a growing network exploring new dimensions of scaling, decentralization, and interoperability. From innovative concepts like BOLD for permissionless validation to Timeboost’s approach to tackling MEV and decentralized sequencing challenges, there’s a lot to u…
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Max Resnick on Ethereum's Roadmap, Economics, and Alignment Taxes
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For today's episode, we’re diving into one of the most controversial conversations around Ethereum’s future—the decisions required to create a truly thriving onchain ecosystem.Joined by Max Resnick, we raised key questions about the future of rollups, appchains, and Ethereum’s economic structure.Are rollups helping Ethereum grow, or are they parasi…
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The Biggest Shift In Crypto Investing Since ICOs with Anil Lulla & Fabrizio Giabardo
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For today's episode, a thanksgiving day special, we are breaking down an evolving model in the crypto space that looks beyond traditional VC funding. Legion, a platform built from the ground up to address issues with token launches, is reshaping how communities and projects interact with each other. We are teaming up with Legion to bring early stag…
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Tarun Chitra and Jon Charbonneau on Solana vs. Ethereum Valuation Outlook
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For today's episode, we were joined by Tarun & Jon to take a closer look at one of the most compelling debates in crypto: The valuation, 'moneyness', collateral asset viability, and onchain usage of ETH vs. SOL. Is there a real chance that Solana could flip Ethereum in the next several years? Ethereum, with its ETF advantage and rollup-centric focu…
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Infinex's Vampire Attack on CEXs with Kain Warwick and Jed Watson
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Today, we're exploring a project that has its sights set on making onchain DeFi just as approachable as traditional exchanges and brokerages. Infinex, led by Kain and Jed, brings a fresh take to the DeFi landscape by prioritizing user experience and easing the transition for those who are familiar with centralized platforms like Binance but hesitan…
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Anthony Sassano on The Past, Present, And Future of Ethereum
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Today, we’re diving into the story of Ethereum—its past, its present, and its ambitious path forward with a core leader of the community, and founder of The Daily Gwei, Anthony Sassano. Ethereum’s evolution is a tale of resilience and innovation. From surviving brutal bear markets to leading the charge with decentralized applications and L2 solutio…
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Andre Cronje on DeFi, Sonic Network, and His New Apps
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Welcome to a blast from the past. Imagine this: You're on your laptop in summer 2020, when you see a message from a friend "new yield farm just opened called Yearn, you can only farm it for one week with DAI." You ape in. The rest is history, and DeFi was (more or less) born. That was the early stages of Andre's journey into DeFi. For his latest re…
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Is Beam Chain Good For Ethereum? With Justin Drake
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Today, we’re unpacking Beam Chain, a proposal by Justin Drake that’s sparked wide-ranging discussions in the Ethereum community. Andy and Robbie sat down with Justin in Bangkok to discuss this in person, just one day after his presentation. Beam chain aims to accelerate Ethereum’s roadmap by introducing a massive hard fork specifically aimed at the…
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Devcon Soundbites: Espresso Mainnet Exclusive with Ellie Davidson
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In this conversation, Ellie discusses the launch of Espresso on Mainnet, focusing on the significance of the Global Confirmation Layer for decentralized sequencing and interoperability among rollups. The discussion covers the benefits of fast and safe bridging, the potential for cross-rollup transactions, and the positive reception from the communi…
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Devcon Soundbites: How EtherFi Plans To Generate $250M+ In Revenue in 2025
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In this conversation, Mike from EtherFi discusses the vision and differentiation of EtherFi as a DeFi protocol, its product suite, business model, and strategies for onboarding new users. He emphasizes the importance of building user-friendly products that allow individuals to manage their finances without traditional banks, while also addressing t…
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Memecoins, Macro, And AI with Crypto Billionaire Arthur Hayes & Murad Mahmudov
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Memecoins are absolutely dominating mindshare in today's crypto economy. While they might be easy to dismiss as passing fads, there appears to be something bigger happening here which we wanted to explore. So, we sat down with Arthur Hayes and Murad Mahmudov to discuss the unique structure of memecoins as a new asset class designed for a generation…
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How Camp Is Bridging The Gap With Social Data
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We're live again from the studio from Singapore for EigenLayer Unlocked, this time for episode 21 with Nirav Murthy about Camp Network. Today’s piece dives into a unique approach to building lasting connections in Web3, using pre-exisiting data from prominent social media platforms. With Camp, we’re looking at a shift from single-transaction incent…
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What Is The Next Phase of Onchain Crypto? With Predicate
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Welcome to episode 20 of EigenLayer Unlocked. In today's video, we dive into the mechanics behind Predicate, led by Nikhil Raghuveera, and their goal to streamline transaction prerequisites across crypto. This idea of “transaction prerequisites” may sound a bit like a mouthful, but the way we are thinking about it is bringing the crypto onchain UX …
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Building Ethereum's Connectivity Hub with Polymer Labs
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We're live again from the studio from Singapore for EigenLayer Unlocked, this time for episode 19 with Peter Kim. For this episode, we are tackling the fragmentation problem head on with the story of Polymer and their north star of building an onchain experience where different execution environments communicate securely, transparently, and in a wa…
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How Abstract Plans to Dominate Consumer Crypto
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Welcome back to the live studio podcasts from Singapore for EigenLayer Unlocked, this time for a conversation with Luca from Abstract with a focus on building the next era of consumer-friendly blockchain experiences. As you know, we have been quite bullish on chains which are usecase-specific with a target market and segment of focus. Abstract is d…
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What is The Interop Endgame? With Hyperlane
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Welcome to episode 16 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a further look into the interoperability endgame. In today's video, we are focused on the technical design of Hyperlane's open framework for interoperability. Joined by Jon Kol, we touched on why we believe that modular, horizontal scaling is key for the future of the crypto space and building towar…
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Why ZK Will Power Crypto's Next Killer Apps with Lagrange
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Welcome to episode 16 of EigenLayer Unlocked. We’ve got a lot to cover, and we’re excited to share some insights from our recent technical talk focused around ZK coprocessors with Ismael from Lagrange. The “internet of proving” is a network where ZK proofs are the centerpiece of all blockchain interactions onchain. We discussed the rise of proof ma…
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How Inco Is Bringing Privacy Onchain using FHE
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Welcome back to Eigenlayer Unlocked for episode 15. Today, we’re exploring a concept that has intrigued cryptographers for decades but is now edging closer to practical use onchain — Fully Homomorphic Encryption, or FHE. We had the pleasure of speaking with Remi Gai from Inco, who walked us through how FHE is making its mark in crypto. Just recentl…
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Why Crypto Is Following A Similar Path As Cloud Computing with Polymer
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Welcome to episode 14 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a deeper dive into the interop landscape of crypto with a tight parallel to the internet experience. Our focus today is on Polymer Labs, for a technical presentation with Bo Du. Polymer is dedicated to making onchain interop as smooth as possible by acting as the "messaging queue" that acts as an in…
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How To Think About Restaking Economics with Tarun Chitra
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Welcome to episode 13 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a very insightful conversation about building the correct mental model for restaking and crypto-economic security. We had the opportunity to sit down with Tarun Chitra from Gauntlet, who brought mental models, analogies, and key information to the table about how restaking mechanisms work, what make…
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Why Movement Is Going All in On MoveVM
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gmove. Welcome to back to another studio podcast from Singapore for EigenLayer Unlocked! Today's pod is with Rushi Manche, co-founder of Movement Labs. We discussed the moveVM, Rushi's community building strategy and the testnet. We also explored how regions like Southeast Asia and LATAM are leading the way in everyday crypto adoption, while the US…
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It’s Time For Crypto To Ditch AWS with Versatus
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Welcome to back to the live studio podcasts from Singapore for EigenLayer Unlocked In todays episode, we're diving into an engaging conversation where we explore the future of onchain compute. From decentralized cloud solutions to efficient, globally distributed systems, Versatus aims to bring the resilience and security of blockchain to cloud serv…
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Is Shared Security A Myth? With Toghrul Maharramov
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Welcome to episode 10 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a much more broad overview of what shared security really is, how to think about the concept of shared security, and where EigenLayer fits in. Following up on his earlier thoughts around modularity being a meme, we decided to bring Toghrul on to discuss his mental model for shared security and resta…
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Why Fast Finality Can Enhance Cross-Rollup Transactions With Nuffle
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Welcome to episode 9 of EigenLayer Unlocked, with a focus on utilizing a fast finality layer to improve cross-rollup interop and avoid the long finality delays on Ethereum L1. Today, we’re taking a closer look at Nuffle Labs’ fast finality layer, NFFL, an EigenLayer AVS that addresses state fragmentation, user experience issues, and security concer…
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Everything You Need To Launch An AVS With Othentic
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Welcome to episode 8 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a deep dive into the core infrastructure you need to launch an AVS. Othentic’s journey started with building their own AVS, and along the way, they faced every complexity imaginable. So, they created the Othentic Stack, making it easier for builders to get their AVSs off the ground without having to …
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How Espresso Aims To Solve The L2 Fragmentation Problem
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Welcome to Episode 7 of EigenLayer Unlocked, where we’re exploring the concept of cross-chain composability -- and in particular, the fragmentation of the modular ecosystem. This is the key to unlocking the full vision of Ethereum's rollup-centric roadmap facilitating coordination between different chains, and Espresso is at the forefront of making…
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What is zkTLS & why is it capturing large mindshare right now?
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Join us live for an in-depth exploration of ZKTLS, the tech reshaping how data is verified on the internet. We’re hosting a special panel as part of the Ion Layer Unlocked event, featuring Madhavan Reclaim Protocol and Dawufi from Opacity. Discover why ZKTLS is gaining traction, its potential use cases, and how it enhances privacy and security by m…
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Why ZK Verification is Ethereum's Final Frontier with Aligned
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Welcome to episode 4 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a focus into the final frontier of Ethereum scaling: Inexpensive and lightning fast zk proof verification. In today’s presentation, we break down how ZK proofs allow us to compress complex computations into small, verifiable proofs, drastically reducing the need for re-execution across Ethereum. We w…
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The Next Evolution of Crypto App Experiences with Lagrange
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Welcome to the 5th episode of EigenLayer Unlocked! Today’s pod, live from Singapore, dives into the evolving world of onchain incentives and how projects like Lagrange are setting the stage for more interactive, long-lasting, personalized crypto experiences. We got to hear from Ismael, Gajesh Naik, and Luca Netz on this special episode. Lagrange’s …
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How Stateless Apps Enable New Cross-Chain Possibilities with Skate
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Welcome to our first EigenLayer Unlocked podcast from Singapore. Over the next few weekends, you can expect dynamic, high-quality, fast paced conversations from Andy and builders within the EigenLayer ecosystem. Today, we’re diving into the idea of stateless apps with Siddharth Lalwani, CEO of Skate. Skate’s approach focuses on solving the liquidit…
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Decentralized Sequencing, Fast Finality, and Challenger Networks with AltLayer
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Welcome to the 3rd episode of EigenLayer Unlocked. In this episode we take a deep dive into the evolution of restaked rollups with a focus on significant improvements to the state of L2s today, using AVS technology. Alongside Amrit Kumar, we walk through the three main pillars of AltLayer's future vision: Squad, a decentralized sequencer set; Vital…
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Why ZK is Perfect for Offchain Computation with Brevis
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Welcome to episode #2 of EigenLayer Unlocked, for a dive into a technical exploration of something that’s set to quietly improve how developers build smarter, more scalable DeFi applications: ZK-coprocessors. The magic of ZK is being able to conduct complex off-chain computations and then verifiably attest to their validity onchain. This is the the…
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The Role of Operators, Slashing, and Liquid Restaking with EigenExplorer
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Welcome to the 1st episode of EigenLayer Unlocked. This episode is meant to be a primer into how restaking fundamentally works, the key players in the restaking system, and why EigenLayer is leading this category today. At its core, restaking allows users to earn additional rewards by taking on slashing risks, offering a way to maximize risk-adjust…
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Ethereum's ZK & Formal Verification Endgame with Alexander Hicks
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The Ethereum Foundation has been very active in the public discourse, notably with Vitalik's return back to X and engaging in the technical debates about the Ethereum roadmap. Following our recent podcast with Justin Drake about Ethereum's roadmap, we set out to understand one key component of that discussion in further detail. This component? Real…
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Find out why purpose-built L1s with Jason from StoryProtocol, Luigi from Avax and Zmanian from IQ. 𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵-𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗼𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗽𝘁𝗼 𝗲𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: h…
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Are Based Rollups Really Based with Bread and Ceciliaz from Gwnyenth Taiko, and Sam Battenally from Rise Chain. Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd.. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X…
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Why Solver Rebalancing is An Untapped Market For The Intent-Centric Future
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We've been really honing in on the intent-centric future with regards to chain abstraction in recent podcasts, as its something we are particularly excited for and believe in. One of the interesting aspects of the chain abstracted stack is that it requires a ton of collaboration amongst different players to fulfill the endgame of a smooth UX with c…
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App-Specific Sequencing (ASS) & LVR Technical Debate with Yuki Yuminaga & Alex Nezbolin
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Another technical debate served up for you guys around the redistribution of MEV to apps, the tradeoffs of sequencing for apps, composability, LVR and more. We had the pleasure of chatting with Yuki Yuminaga & Alex Nezbolin, two gigabrains, about the tradeoffs in the app specific sequencing (ASS) paradigm. This concept was introduced by Yuki from S…
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Eigenlayer Token Unlock: Everything You Need to Know
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The world's first intersubjective token is now officially transferable and live, enabling the next era of the Eigenlayer ecosystem. The core breakthrough of the EIGEN token is the enabling of slashing for their ecosystem of AVSs. If you believe in cryptoeconomic security, you can think of the EIGEN token unlock as the first step towards this ecosys…
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Why AI Is A Tool For Advancing Humanity With Emad Mostaque
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At the DeAI summit, held by Polychain Capital and OpenLedger, Andy had the pleasure to chat with @EMostaque, a mathematician and former CEO of Stability AI. The conversation embraced the changes that we are going to see in 2025, how to prepare for AGI, the techno-optimistic mindset, and why we shouldn't be intimidated by AI. The era of arts, philos…
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