096 - Counterfeit Kingdom with Holly Pivec & Doug Geivett

Apologetics 315 Podcast

In this episode, Brian Auten and Chad Gross speak with Doug Geivett and Holly Pivec about the “New Apostolic Reformation” (NAR) movement, as well as the specific teachings coming out of the movement.
We cover some of the content they lay out in their newest book: Counterfeit Kingdom: The Dangers of New Revelation, New Prophets, and New Age Practices in the Church
https://a315.co/3TNAzk2
1:04 - Intro to our guests
1:40 - discussing the book Counterfeit Kingdom
6:23 - About our guests
8:10 - How is this book different than the previous on the NAR?
9:17 - Why are Doug and Holly interested in NAR teachings?
11:35 - Are you just against the move of God?
14:24 - Why so much focus on Bethel Church in Redding, CA?
15:30 - What attracts otherwise reasonable people to the NAR movement?
19:50 - Jesus’s overlooked warning; how to spot false prophets?
22:25 - Are there tests within the movement for prophets?
27:04 - What is spiritual abuse, and are NAR teaching leading to abuse?
30:00 - Petitionary prayer vs. “declaration” prayer
32:30 - Trying to raise a little girl from the dead
34:06 - The influence of NAR in popular Christian worship music
38:30 - Is there going to be a big end-times revival?
44:41 - Problematic methods of teaching the Bible?
48:00 - The origins of the Passion Translation
55:00 - Peculiar healing practices
1:07:06 - Protecting children from the NAR movement
1:10:20 - Final thoughts from Holly and Doug
*Helpful links:*
Holly Pivec and professor Doug Geivett are co-authors of various books about NAR:
God's Super-Apostles: Encountering the Worldwide Prophets and Apostles Movement
https://a315.co/3EIdET7
A New Apostolic Reformation?: A Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement
https://a315.co/3EK40zt
Counterfeit Kingdom: The Dangers of New Revelation, New Prophets, and New Age Practices in the Church
https://a315.co/3V2QSdQ
Holly’s website: www.hollypivec.com
Doug Geivett’s website: https://douggeivett.wordpress.com
Brian’s experience in an NAR church first hand, you can check out episode 063 of the podcast. https://a315.co/NAR-Experiences
Also check out our previous interview with Holly and Doug about the New Apostolic Reformation - that’s episode 066. https://a315.co/3EisONm
Doug Geivett & Holly Pivec debate Michael Brown on the New Apostolic Reformation: https://a315.co/3X4hpJL
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