What does it mean to be a White person in the US today? Any mention of race sets off an immediate reaction across the political spectrum. If you mention race: you’re racist. If you don’t mention race: you’re racist. You’re contemplating not even listening to this podcast now that you know it's about race. You don’t need to think about being White, right? Racism doesn’t exist, that book club you had in 2020 for two months taught you everything you needed to know, or your best friend is Diné, ...
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Preventing White Supremacy: An Applied Conceptualization for the Helping Professions
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In this episode, Loran Grishow-Schade reads their groundbreaking paper, "Preventing White Supremacy: An Applied Conceptualization for the Helping Professions," published by Discover Global Society. This episode explores how social workers, educators, and helping professionals can prevent White supremacy from taking root, rather than merely dismantl…
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What does it mean to continue this work after season one is completed? Jenny shares some thoughts, feelings, and actions around our individual, collective and interrelated work. ========== Welcome to our podcast. We’re so glad you’re here refocusing on Whiteness without supremacy or shame. Listen. Like. Follow. Instagram: @the.spillway | Facebook: …
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What has season one taught us about what it means to be a White person in the US today without supremacy or shame? After 9 weeks, 28 hours of recording, and 12 hours of published material Jenny and Loran identify the key findings of season one. In the conclusion of our first attempt at a community assessment of White people and Whiteness, Loran and…
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White LGBTQIA+ People & Trystan Reese
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What does it mean to be White and LGBTQIA+? Here we sit down with Trystan Reese (seriously, just Google him) to talk about what it means to hold the identities of White and LGBTQIA+ in the US today. Some questions include: What does it mean to be a person who is both White and Queer? A person who is White and trans? Is there a difference between a …
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Focus Group: White Men [part two]
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As this is the conclusion of the focus group, out of respect to the participants and the overall process, please make sure to listen to part one before downloading this episode What does it mean for White men to define their unfiltered experience, living in the US in the '20s? Loran and Jenny host a focus group with four White men who share their e…
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Focus Group: White Men [part one]
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What does it mean for White men to define their unfiltered experience, living in the US in the '20s? Loran and Jenny host a focus group with four White men who share their experiences of race and racism in the US today. When was the last time you heard a White man talk about what it means to be a White man without supremacy or shame? Are any stereo…
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Human Things: Holding Space after Buffalo
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How should White people respond/act/feel/think after another White nationalist massacre? In this special episode Jenny and Loran hold space for each other and other White people in a way that honors the paradox of being White in the US. We’ll reconvene with our regularly scheduled focus group next week. ========== In the episode Loran references th…
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Beyond White Supremacy: Healing White Men as Tools for Violence Prevention and Harm Reduction with Ben Jealous, Pablo Cerdera, Loran Grishow-Schade, & Fred Jealous
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Why is healing White men critical within racial equity work? What can prevention and harm reduction look like in US culture? Loran sits down with Ben Jealous (President, People for the American Way and former President and CEO of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]), Pablo Cerdera (Founding Associate Director, Res…
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Chute Block: Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress
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What is Perpetration-Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS)? Moral Injury? How are White people negatively impacted by racism, too? In these shorter episodes, called “chute blocks,” Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway. Mentioned in this episode: The Spillway Community Guidelines 1. Engage sequentially. The …
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The Whites of the Round Table: Lynn Burnett, Jared Karol, & Jill Nagle
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What does it mean to work to be White while working to end White supremacy and shame cultures? Loran and Jenny sit down with Lynn Burnett (Founder, CrossCulturalSolidarity.com and The White AntiRacist Ancestry Project), Jared Karol (Founder, JaredKarol.com and author “A White Guy Confronting Racism”), and Jill Nagle (Founder, Evolutionary Workplace…
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A Better F***ing Party than White Supremacy & Evangeline Weiss
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Alternative title: Cancel Culture and White Women & Evangeline Weiss What does it mean to be a White woman in the US today without supremacy or shame? What does it mean to hold cancel culture as White supremacist and shame culture? Loran and Jenny sit down with Evangeline Weiss, founder of Beyond Conflict & co-founder of We Are Finding Freedom to t…
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Chute Block: InterGenerational Trauma
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What is interGenerational trauma and how is it impacting White people? In these shorter episodes, called "chute blocks," Loran and Jenny explore the ideas and concepts which inform the work of The Spillway. What to expect in the episode: InterGenerational Trauma fundamentals Implications for our work in the present-day How working with our interGen…
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White Academia & Amy Hillier, MSW, PhD
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What does it mean to teach and talk about race and racism in our education systems? What does it mean to be White in academia? Here we sit down with Dr. Amy Hillier, MSW, Associate Professor at The School of Social Policy and Practice at the University of Pennsylvania with the following outline: What is CRT look like in your classrooms? What are we…
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What does it mean to be a White man in the US today without supremacy or shame? Loran and Jenny sit down with Fred Jealous, founder of Breakthrough Men's Community, to talk about the intersection of gender and race as it applies to White men. Questions include: What are we missing when we raise boys in the US? What’s so harmful about men being masc…
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What does it mean to be a White person in the US today? If you mention or see race, you're racist. If you don't mention or see race, you're racist. A few months ago, I (Loran) started an organization, The Spillway, around supporting White people to work through Perpetrator Induced Traumatic Stress (PITS) and interGenerational trauma. I offer the se…
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Welcome to The Spillway. If this is your first time here, we ask that you please start with this episode. We don't want to throw you into the deep end. Join Loran as we go over the foundation of The Spillway and the best tips and tricks as to how to approach this series. Ultimately, this is a work that is more like a book than a conventional podcas…
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